S Fobes debut Submitted by pimpnmonk on Thu, 09/26/2013 - 07:50 With the plates, you can take any mouthpiece and change the sound and the overall tone of the instrument by simply removing the screw and replacing the plate. Add to Cart. I hope you find this interesting and useful, I am happy to answer any of your questions on the forums. Provided the reed is not distorted, any good fitting ligature will work, and there should be no significant difference in sound between one ligature and another. But if the reed is swollen, some ligatures may work better than others. (For those who are not saxophonists, a ligature is a simple metal or leather band that clamps the reed to the mouthpiece). Saxophone tutorials, beginners to advanced. I then swapped back to my own ligature (a simple no-name 2-scew type that cost $3). But so many people report that a new saxophone ligature improves their sound. Archived. And rightly so - the last time anyone strayed from the straight and narrow path that is the traditional brass body was around the mid 1950's, when the Grafton plastic alto made its debut. As well as the Yamaha, the Jody, Link or Meyer are also good for beginners (though in a smaller size than I am using here), however they cost more and are not necessarily any better for you because of that. These people are not stupid and I believe that this can be explained in two ways. I really dont want to anmoy the neighbours! There is no harm in starting off with a more expensive piece, it’s just that until you get to that stage there is little real advantage in spending the extra cash. O Rousseau Jazz JDX7 If the reed swells due to moisture, you should adjust the reed with a blade or reed tool. In the examples above, you can see that if the reed has a flat surface, then even a badly fitting ligature should hold it well. You’ll get 11 reeds, a … Bingo! save. I was comfortable with all of these except one, which I found too resistant for my taste. To do this I try not to think about what I am playing, but just blow the mouthpiece. I am often asked for mouthpiece advice for beginners, and the piece I always recommend is the Yamaha, either a 3C or 4C. Using the mouthpiece that comes with the horn is fine initially, but after 2-3 years you may want a new one. Does a ligature affect the sound of the saxophone? The alto sax, pitched in E flat, is the next largest. E Selmer Jazz Metal F If you want to try and guess, then don’t click on the INFO button until after listening. I changed the reed, wiped the neck, checked my embouchure and nothing helped. J Yanagisawa (HR) 6 We respect your privacy. Does anybody have sheet music of Overture and Difference for Darkness for the alto sax? Learn how your comment data is processed. Both of these situations explain why many people think that a ligature affects the sound. The feelgood factor, snake oil, voodoo, placebo, auto suggestion, emperor’s new clothes or just a good ligature? I agree, it’s wrong to generalise – I think this is one of the main points I try to make with this article. It either does its job or it doesn’t. We respect your privacy. G Selmer Soloist Style E A couple of years ago I had tried a Jody Jazz metal mouthpiece and did not get a good feeling from it. I checked the octave sealing on the neck, it sealed. (That’s my story and I’m sticking to it). As soon as possible, I will try to get some other alto mouthpieces for comparison, including more Vandorens, Rico, Brancher etc. To sort out your less than perfect reed, see the page and video working on reeds. 1 comment. In our analysis, we take several factors into consideration including price, design, build and brand integrity. It’s hotly debated whether ligatures actually have any effect on the sound of the saxophone, so in this video we look at the truth and the myths. OK, so these days using anything but brass for sax body can hardly be described as esoteric - but when the Prestige first hit the shops it was a genuine talking-point. Close. If the reed or mouthpiece are not true, e.g. Alto solo from Deference For Darkness Josh Ruble let us know about another self-taught Halo 3: ODST Alto Sax solo performed by … Stunning! Often the alto sax player will double on the alto and soprano sax. I’m always looking to improve my playing, and my go-to guides are normally on this website. Attachment Size; Difference For Darkness Piano and Tenor Sax.pdf: 230.53 KB: category: sheet music. If the curve of the concavity is from front to back, the tightness and position of the ligature can be critical. Download and print in PDF or MIDI free sheet music for Deference For Darkness by Martin O'Donnell arranged by TheMTCrew for Piano (Solo) With a percentage of the reeds from a batch not giving good tone as we all know and a change of ligature will not compensate for a reed which has been machined to the dimensions and is flat on the bed of mouthpiece, when my notes are terrible maybe after four hours practice a day say for a week, changing the read corrects my tone. F Selmer S80 D Please consider, Subscribe To Our (very occasional) Newsletter. Like most sites, we use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. This is a very cheap but good quality mouthpiece, and is fine for learning on until you get to the point where you think you will be better with a different mouthpiece. We have examined the top alto sax available in the market. One problem with this approach is you are no longer concentrating on important issues such as intonation, which can therefore be an issue, especially with those mouthpieces that are unfamiliar. This explains why I found the Selmer metal jazz (at .086) to be much harder work than the RPC (.090). The C melody has the sound I want. I love a satin gold beautifully engraved saxophone, or a mouthpiece that looks like a work of art. What is the difference between a regular alto sax, a student alto sax and a professional alto sax? Saxophone ligatures have developed a long way since the days when clarinetists would just wind a piece of cord or leather thong around the reed to secure it to the mouthpiece (but some people still swear by this method). Fingering, transposing, Blues, videos, Vibrato, subtone, altissimo, embouchure, tuning, Licks & patterns. Nice forum. In all the mouthpiece comparison trials I used moderate tip openings (in the region of 5 – 6*) except the RPC custom and Selmer Jazz, however I believe there is little value in looking at tip number between different models as this is only one part of the equation regarding the response, feel and/or resistance of a mouthpiece. It is essential to go for brands that offer simple accessories like cleaning kit, gloves, carrying cases and tuners. The purpose of this article is to apply some physics measureme… There are a lot of questions to ask about yourself as an alto sax player and about the reeds in general in order to pick the best reeds for you. H Yamaha (plastic) 5C Excellent advice I agree with what you say I am 72 and just starting to learn the Alto sax I don’t have any music back ground and have had about nine lessons and my teacher has told me don’t worry about changing my classic mouthpiece or ligature it’s about getting getting embouchure and breathing correct. This situation has occurred a few times in the past. If it’s not held firmly it won’t boing very well. I write a lot about saxophone sound, but there seems to be some confusion over terminology, which got me thinking… Hi I have acquired an old student Yamaha alto, and the model name/number has been rubbed off.bottom left side. The process includes handworking steps, and involves automatic controls of the shape. Another difference between the two is that the neck of the alto sax bends upwards while that of the tenor sax bends downwards. Of course, each plate does something different, like the silver giving the mouthpiece a rich classical tone, while the brass and gold giving the mouthpiece a bright and expressive tone. Although I play on a very w… I decided, good or bad, to buy two new mouthpieces (Otto Link Vintage and Van Doren Java T55) to try, one provides a ligature, so I’ll see if this works. It will sound the same but second line G is similar to fourth space E on the alto sax. Since there are usually two alto saxes in an ensemble and only one soprano, this usually doesn't pose a problem for overall ensemble sound. Your email address will not be published. Well good news I’m covering that too!) How much of that is true and how much is marketing hype to get you to part with your hard-earned cash is open to debate, more on that later. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. P Hite Premiere R Kanee-v5 In all the mouthpiece comparison trials I used moderate tip openings (in the region of 5 – 6*) except the RPC custom and Selmer Jazz, however I believe there is little value in looking at  tip number between different models as this is only one part of the equation regarding the response, feel and/or resistance of a mouthpiece. the reed is warped or the mouthpiece table is not level, then different ligatures will have a different effect as the equipment is not working properly – a reed only vibrates when it is held firmly against the mouthpiece, just like when you hold a ruler over the edge of a table and make it “boing”. A good sax always comes with the required accessories. C Otto Link Tone Edge 6* Find out about our very lively saxophone discussion forum at CafeSaxophone.com. But the bog standard 2-screw type will sound as good as anything provided it is the right size and is in good working order. The same principle applies to the way a reed vibrates on a mouthpiece. Their ligature was supposed to sound better than other ones. This is when you pay $96 for a beautiful gold plated ligature with patented mass loaded resonating turbo charged anti-slip synthetic acoustic cushion. The Glory Professional Alto Eb SAX is perfect for the beginner. Please check your email and follow the instructions. I asked to try one and they allowed me to, so I started playing and soon a large audience gathered. I’ve never noticed this as long as the ligature is a good fit for the mouthpiece and is holding the reed firmly, and neither the reed or mouthpiece table are uneven. These days some very sophisticated ligatures are being made by manufacturers with all kinds of claims that various enhancements can improve your sound. This seemed to work. Hi, I rwally want to take up playing the saxophone but I am wondering how loud it is, as I havent got a sax yet or know anyone that does so I cant really judge how loud it is goong too be. The main difference between clarinets and saxophones is the kind of bore they have. I found this one to be a very good mouthpiece, though the one that jumped out as the best (and very pleasantly surprised me) was the . Top 6 Best Alto Saxophones In 2021 Reviews David Sanborn, Art Pepper, Jimmy Dorsey, and Charlie Parker are all known for their prowess on the alto. 5. Dark or Bright? U Thomann. Do not overtighten the screws, they should be tight enough to just stop the reed from slipping or to take up any slight warpage in the reed or table of the mouthpiece. (gear acquisition syndrome), and the manufacturers know about this only too well. I have gathered together some frequently recommended (and some not so frequently) alto saxophone mouthpieces. I tried the selmer on my Conn alto and it made no difference. This scenario is compounded if the mouthpiece table is not flat. I Vandoren V16 A6M Required fields are marked *. As you can see in the examples above, it is very much up to the shape and type of ligature whether the reed is held properly against the table, allowing the tip to vibrate properly. I have tried to be objective and just blow each mouthpiece without trying to get the sound I usually strive for. I was wrong! hide. Having worked in high quality production of both mechanical and electrical equipment some for NASA I totally agree with what you say about the ligatures. The Allora Vienna Series Intermediate Alto Saxophone gives sax players who want to step up a better instrument with reassuring key action, great looks, and the ability to perform just about any kind of music. Who knows? Arrangement of Rain for Piano and Tenor Sax by me. Some people consider that the type of ligature affects the sound, however this topic has been hotly debated. The main thing is to […] I then got a C melody with old mpce. I test play such things and find it so difficult to stand objectively to the side and just listen without drooling over the bling. I brought it to a friends and we tried a different ligature (mine a Rover). If the reed (or mouthpiece) is distorted some ligatures will be bad, some may be OK, giving the impression that ligatures have an effect on the sound generally, whereas this is only likely to be true in some cases where the mouthpiece (or reed) is out of whack. Note that if the reed swells into the concavity, or if the reed is flat and has formed itself to the concavity, then this reed is unlikely to perform well when tried on a different mouthpiece. It seems many people these days want what they call a dark sound, but when I delve deeper into what they mean, I realise it may not be the same as what I call a dark sound.. I wouldn’t generalise, for some people and some setups, ligatures make no difference, for others it can make a big difference. Unfortunately if there is a problem with the shape of the mouthpiece table or distorted reed, and you are getting different sounds from different ligatures, then only by trying them out will you really know which is best. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Is there a clue to the model from a visual inspection. Some people think jazz requires a metal mouthpiece. Alto Sax Reeds FAQ. I was also surprised by the Otto Link, as I have never got on with these on alto. Most mouthpiece comparisons you hear are not always the exact same piece of music, so here I have attempted to play the same phrases on each which should help you decide on the basic sound differences. In the first example, as the reed and mouthpiece work fine with very little pressure on the reed, and not much difference at which point the pressure is applied, then a different ligature will make no difference to the way the reed vibrates. K Otto Link STM 6 (metal) Maybe it's the large chambered mpc but I don't play the alto anymore. My tenor played well 2 days ago but then it started squealing and it was very difficult to get air through the mouthpiece; it wasn’t effortless like it was. Some mouthpiece tables are concave by design. Please choose OK to accept that you are happy with this, All sales profits donated to special needs music - Info, Mouthpiece Comparions: Observations & Recommendations. Intermediate – Advanced, Arrange a one to one consultancy/lesson in saxophone, improvising, composing, The ultimate saxophone gift: Story of the Saxophone book Gift & card all in one. Nigel Pearston’s comment, here, is WONDERFUL & inspiring! It is very important that the ligature is not too distorted or badly fitting or the tone will definitely suffer. Beginner sax players find it easier to handle the alto sax than tenor sax, due to their smaller lung capacity and experience playing the instruments . In a saxophone, the bore increases as you go down from the mouthpiece until you get to the end of the bell. Again, I do not wish to stand on my holier than thou high horse over this, because I don’t mind admitting I’m one of those who would do the same. Stay Jazzy . I haven’t made any adjustments to this instrument, I literally pulled it out of the packaging and started recording. Conclusion. Your information is safe and will never be shared. I’m not sure this one was somehow different or whether I have become more relaxed about what suits me in the mouthpiece department. How Different Ligatures affect less than perfect reeds: Audio Examples: Compare Ligatures (2-Screw vs Fabric). Requests: done. I have a very perplexing situation. Please be more detailed than just saying "the tone is better on a professional model".. Someone in the audience pointed out that it sounded the same, at which point the sales rep snatched politely asked me to move on. Please choose OK to accept that you are happy with this, All sales profits donated to special needs music - Info. Most of these are readily available off the shelf, but I have also included an RPC custom which is the mouthpiece I have been using myself for several years and a couple of vintage mouthpieces that were hanging around in my drawer. So imagine if the mouthpiece table has a bump in it, along comes a certain ligature which just happens to compensate for that bump perfectly due to the place it adds pressure to the reed. The price is good, and you have a lot of color options to choose from, which means that kids love this model. Different players will give varying advice on what sounds the best and the discussion could probably last for days. I have found that if the table is flat and reed is true, then just about any ligature in good condition will get the optimum sound. Fingering, transposing, Blues, videos, Vibrato, subtone, altissimo, embouchure, tuning, Licks & patterns. Then we consider performance and give you our opinion of the best alto sax for you. Thanks for signing up. The first half was originally released as a sample on Bungie.net. While the clarinet bore has almost the same width from top to bottom except for a small tail expansion. The plates come in a handful of different metals, such as silver, gold, brass, stainless steel, vintified, titanium, and copper. Whether it sounds much different is not so relevant to me as I quite like the sound from all these, but this felt very good to play and, importantly, the response I felt as a player was inspiring. At a trade fair, I was walking around trying things out and I stopped at the Francois Louis stand. Bingo! $1,800.00. One of the most hotly debated topics on the saxophone internet forums, Sax On The Web and CafeSaxophone is whether a different ligature can improve your sound. Ligature A is a Rovner It’s usually considered the easiest sax to hold and features a mouthpiece that’s neither too big nor too small, factors that make it the number one choice for beginning saxophonists. Home > Saxophones > Mouthpieces > Alto Mouthpiece Comparisons. Please check your email and follow the instructions. Does anybody have sheet music of Overture and Difference for Darkness for the alto sax? It suddenly sounds better. T D’Addario Select Jazz These differences also involve the handling of the instruments. The track takes place after you finish the first flashback. The quality of the Brass mix and the construction of the horn will greatly affect the tonal performance and cost of the horn, with the balance of zinc to copper affecting the resonance, timbre and cost of the horn. If the concavity is from side to side, the way the ligature applies pressure can be critical: if it applies pressure to the centre of the reed, it will push the reed down into the concavity and so create a good seal, but if it applies pressure at the edges, then it could cause the gap to remain which means the reed does not seal well and can cause squeaks or deadening of the sound. function wonderaudio_9_appendcss(csscode) {var head=document.head || document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0];var style=document.createElement("style");head.appendChild(style);style.type="text/css";if (style.styleSheet){style.styleSheet.cssText=csscode;} else {style.appendChild(document.createTextNode(csscode));}};wonderaudio_9_appendcss(".wonderpluginaudio {margin:0 !important; } .amascrollbar /* this is the background*/ {background-color:gray !important} .amascrollthumb /* this is the handle*/ {background-color:silver !important} .amazingaudioplayer-image {width:200px !important; height:200px !important}");wonderaudio_9_appendcss("#wonderpluginaudio-9 { box-sizing: content-box; 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